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Chertoff To Turn Vermont Into Nazi Germany

04-09-2008

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Lee Rogers 

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The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is continuing their agenda to turn the United States of America into a 21st century version Nazi Germany. According to a report from WCAX, the Department of Homeland Security is seeking to setup a permanent internal checkpoint in the middle of Vermont so they can look for illegal immigrants, drug dealers and terrorists. These types of checkpoints are a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment which prohibits the government from conducting searches and seizures without a warrant. In addition, the DHS is attempting to use the illegal immigration issue as a way to justify the establishment of this checkpoint. This is another example of the government capitalizing on a problem they created in order to implement a phony solution. The government has given all the incentive in the world for Mexicans to come here illegally and has done little to empower the border patrol agents on the U.S. Mexico border to stop them. In fact, they’ve actually done a great deal to ensure that the agents do not do their job. The U.S. actually gave a drug trafficker immunity to testify against border patrol agents after the agents shot the drug trafficker while he was attempting to bring drugs over the border. Both of the border agents are now sitting in prison and the decider George W. Bush has decided not to pardon them. It is laughable that the DHS wants to setup an internal checkpoint in the middle of Vermont under the guise that they are attempting to stop illegal immigrants, drug dealers and terrorists when they have set policies to discourage border patrol agents from doing their job on the U.S. Mexico border. 

Senator Patrick Leahy from Vermont questioned DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff about the proposed checkpoint during his testimony in front of the Senate Committee on the Judiciary on Oversight of the Department of Homeland Security on April 2nd, 2008. Below is a blurb taken from the Brattleboro Reformer on the exchange between Leahy and Chertoff. 

Sen. Patrick Leahy chastised Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff Wednesday for his agency's plan to build a permanent immigration checkpoint in central Vermont, wryly exclaiming that Chertoff should just "federalize Vermont."

The interaction comes as the Bush administration is proposing a $4 million project to build fixed facilities within 100 miles of the Canadian border to conduct random vehicle checks for illegal immigrants, drugs and weapons, according to Leahy.

"So what you're saying is in a little state like mine everyone should be stopped going down that interstate, no matter whether they're going to visit a sick relative at the VA hospital?" Leahy prodded Chertoff in a Judiciary Committee hearing.

"We're all sort of presumed guilty until proven innocent," the Vermont Democrat added. "It sounds like Big Brother gone awry."

Chertoff said, "Here's the bottom line. Having checkpoints make sense."

He said drug dealers and child molesters have been captured at similar checkpoints.

It is amazing that Chertoff would actually have the nerve to say that having internal checkpoints is a sensible approach. Chertoff is advocating something that is illegal and forbidden by the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution. Not only that, but when a government sets up internal checkpoints within its own borders that is a sure fire sign that tyranny has come. The Nazis setup a system of internal checkpoints during World War II Germany and demanded citizens furnish the appropriate papers when questioned by government agents. The DHS is already attempting to setup a National ID card system through the implementation of the Real ID Act. It is clear that they want Real ID complaint identification cards to serve as America’s equivalent to the papers that the Nazi’s made their citizens carry.

Amazingly the criminals in the U.S. Supreme Court have already ruled that sobriety checkpoints are within the bounds of the Constitution. As a result, police are allowed to setup checkpoints and go on fishing expeditions to look for drunk drivers. This combined with the DHS attempting to setup this particular internal checkpoint and the implementation of the Real ID Act is more proof that this country is turning into a 21st century version of Nazi Germany.

This country is gone. When we have a government agency that is trying to setup an internal checkpoint under the guise of searching for drug dealers, terrorists or illegal immigrants it is clear that tyranny is here. There are more effective ways to deal with the illegal immigration problem but the only solutions the government brings forward are phony ones that serve their agenda. Setting up an internal checkpoint in the middle of Vermont is entirely idiotic and insane. Chertoff should be removed from office for this attempt to violate the Constitution with internal checkpoints as well as the countless other violations of the Constitution that the DHS has been involved in during his tenure as DHS Secretary. Not only that, but he also has an uncanny resemblance to the evil Skeletor character in the 1980s cartoon He-Man. Imagine all the children he scares each time he appears on the TV. All jokes aside, Chertoff needs to be fired immediately otherwise the enslavement agenda at the DHS will continue.  

Yoo Memos Prove That The Fourth Reich Is Here  

Published on Tuesday, April 08, 2008.

this articale was written by Lee Rogers on of the young guns at Truthnet radio, he has a great take on current issues going on here in the U.S. 

Source: IntelStrike - Lee Rogers 

Recent news on the White House torture and spy memos has amazingly received very little coverage in the corporate controlled media. For instance, Barack Obama’s low bowling score has received more coverage than these memos. The media some how thinks Obama's horrible bowling skills are more important than evidence that could be used to prosecute members of the Bush administration for all sorts of criminality including war crimes. That makes no sense, but of course when you consider that the corporate controlled media creates reality for people it makes perfect sense. Both of these memos were written by former Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Yoo and prove that the Bush administration sought to justify torture and ignore the Fourth Amendment under the guise of the phony war on terror. In the memos, Yoo concludes that Bush can torture and spy without a warrant if he is doing these things to protect the country from terrorists. Of course, the majority of the so called terrorists that the media and the government claims we are fighting are actually trained and funded by western governments so the whole thing is a big fraud. That of course is a whole other story. In these memos, it is clear that Yoo shows a blatant disregard for both U.S. and international law. Yoo and other members of the Bush administration should really be put on trial for war crimes but since the corporate controlled media thinks that Obama’s low bowling score is more important than smoking gun proof of war crimes, that’s probably not going to happen.

First let’s tackle the spying memo. Below is taken from an excerpt of an Associated Press report on the 37-page secret Justice Department memo in which Yoo concludes that the Fourth Amendment does not apply to domestic military operations. 

For at least 16 months after the Sept. 11 terror attacks in 2001, the Bush administration believed that the Constitution's protection against unreasonable searches and seizures on U.S. soil didn't apply to its efforts to protect against terrorism.

That view was expressed in a secret Justice Department legal memo dated Oct. 23, 2001. The administration on Wednesday stressed that it now disavows that view.

The October 2001 memo was written at the request of the White House by John Yoo, then the deputy assistant attorney general, and addressed to Alberto Gonzales, the White House counsel at the time. The administration had asked the department for an opinion on the legality of potential responses to terrorist activity.

The 37-page memo is classified and has not been released. Its existence was disclosed Tuesday in a footnote of a separate secret memo, dated March 14, 2003, released by the Pentagon in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by the American Civil Liberties Union.

"Our office recently concluded that the Fourth Amendment had no application to domestic military operations," the footnote states, referring to a document titled "Authority for Use of Military Force to Combat Terrorist Activities Within the United States."

First off, domestic military operations at the time this memo was written were forbidden by the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act. On top of that, Yoo is essentially saying that the executive branch has the power to search and seize property without a warrant during domestic military operations. Through this memo, Yoo is saying that the administration can disregard the Fourth Amendment so long as they claim that they are trying to protect America from terrorists. This is absurd considering that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and there are no provisions for its suspension just because the executive branch says there is a state of war. This memo represents an attempt to justify spying on the American people without a warrant when there is no justification for it anywhere in the law.

Now let’s go to the torture memo. News on the torture memo actually leaked out to the press back in 2004 following the Abu Ghraib scandal in which pictures of U.S. soldiers torturing and humiliating prisoners were made public. Now, the memo in its entirety has been declassified via a Freedom of Information Act request by the ACLU. Although the memo was eventually rescinded, it gave authority to the Bush administration to legally order torture and ways to get around U.S. and international law that prohibited such activity.  

Below is an excerpt from an Associated Press report on the declassification of the torture memo.

The Pentagon made public a now-defunct legal memo that approved the use of harsh interrogation techniques against terror suspects, saying that President Bush's wartime authority trumps any international ban on torture.

The Justice Department memo, dated March 14, 2003, outlines legal justification for military interrogators to use harsh tactics against al-Qaida and Taliban detainees overseas — so long as they did not specifically intend to torture their captives.

Even so, the memo noted, the president's wartime power as commander in chief would not be limited by the U.N. treaties against torture.

"Our previous opinions make clear that customary international law is not federal law and that the president is free to override it at his discretion," said the memo written by John Yoo, who was then deputy assistant attorney general for the Office of Legal Counsel. The memo also offered a defense in case any interrogator was charged with violating U.S. or international laws.

"Finally, even if the criminal prohibitions outlined above applied, and an interrogation method might violate those prohibitions, necessity or self-defense could provide justifications for any criminal liability," the memo concluded.

First off, torture is forbidden by the Geneva Conventions as well as the Eighth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. It is against both international and federal law so it is ridiculous that Yoo would try to justify this immoral and illegal activity by using Bush’s wartime authority as trumping any bans on torture. Secondly, Congress hasn’t issued a declaration of war so the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are illegal which means that Bush has no wartime authority to begin with. In fact, the occupation and on-going wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq are unconstitutional and illegal. There is simply no moral or legal basis that justifies the arguments in Yoo’s memo.

Yoo didn’t stop there though. In 2006, he said that the President actually had the authority to crush the testicles of children during an exchange with human rights scholar Doug Cassel.

There needs to be an immediate Congressional investigation into this matter. Adolf Hitler and the Nazis did not even have the guts to say or put this type of stuff down on paper. The torture and spying memos authored by Yoo is proof that he is not only a criminal but a war criminal. Anyone in the Bush administration military or non-military who used the memo as justification to order or participate in the torture of other human beings should also be put on trial for war crimes. This is proof that the events in Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay and in secret European prisons were authorized at very high levels in the Bush administration. These events were not the result of rogue low level soldiers, it was in fact policy.

Since we have so many militarized police running around in Darthvader outfits, perhaps they can finally be used to go after the real criminals. They can first pay a visit to Yoo’s office at UC Berkeley and then they can go round up the rest of them at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington DC. It is time to bring down the Fourth Reich. 

 2.5m children on drugs in US 

 UK Guardian

Posted: 2008-04-07 11:36:45

Paxil RoadAntipsychotic drugs for children have taken off in the US on the back of a willingness to diagnose those with behavioural problems as having manic depression. Even children barely out of babyhood are getting a diagnosis of bipolar disorder, the modern term for the condition.

The chief symptoms are mood swings, which, however, are common in children of any age.

David Healy, an expert on bipolar disorder, said there were now 2.5 million American children on antipsychotics. However, the UK guidelines on the disorder, from the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, urge caution.

One drug which prompted concern was Risperdal, originally to be sold for children with "irritability" or difficult behaviour in autism. It was reviewed by experts for the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency because of "concern about the potential misuse of [it] as ... long-term chemical control". The drug's maker, Janssen-Cilag, though it won a licence for it, withdrew its application, citing differences with the authority.

Some observers say a licence with conditions attached might have curbed the use of such drugs, and that where there is no licensing, doctors just have to rely on their own judgment on treatments. Many consult the British National Formulary for Children. But, says Sarah Yates, former chair of a primary care trust in Cambridgeshire, the BNF fails to mention the MHRA's reservations about anti-psychotics.

Sami Timimi, a child psychiatrist, criticises the "social trend of using powerful, largely ineffective medicines to control the behaviour of [children] who have never had a say in what is imposed on them". 

Life with Big Brother: Driver's licenses to feature radio chips

State introducing cards that encode personal information

by Jerome R. Corsi 

April 8, 2008

WorldNetDaily.com  

The state of Washington announced a pilot project to introduce a driver's license "enhanced" with a radio frequency identification, or RFID, chip that would encode personal information and possibly serve as a passport-alternative if approved by the Department of Homeland Security.

Democratic Gov. Christine Gregoire signed a bill March 23 allowing Washington residents to apply for the $40 voluntary driver's license beginning in January.

Gregoire spokeswoman Kristin Jacobsen told WND in an e-mail the enhanced license is intended to be an alternative way of complying with theWestern Hemisphere Travel Initiative mandated by the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004.

The Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, the Real ID Act, the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America all call for ID technology to be built into drivers' licenses, passports and other types of border-crossing identification.

Concerns are being expressed within the Department of Homeland Security, however, regarding the wisdom of applying RFID technology to human identification programs.

Under the WHTI, as of Jan. 23 all citizens of the U.S., Canada, and Mexico were required to present a valid passport, or some other federally accepted document, to enter or re-enter the U.S. by air travel.

As early as Jan. 1, 2008, these passport requirements will be extended to all citizens of the U.S., Canada, and Mexico who enter or re-enter the U.S. by land or sea, extending even to ferry travel.

The Department of Homeland Security is in the process of setting requirements regarding acceptable documentation and preparing to implement the passport requirements under the WHTI.

Jacobsen told WND the Washington state enhanced driver's license will require verified proof of citizenship, identity and residence.

"They will look similar to current licenses and ID cards," Jacobsen explained, "but will have an icon on the front that indicates the holder is a U.S. citizen."

The $40 fee for the RFID license is designed to be less than the cost to apply for a passport ($97 on initial application, plus $67 to renew every 15 years). Regular driver's licenses in Washington state cost $25 to renew every five years.

"The enhanced driver's license will cost significantly less than a passport, but will carry many of the same features," Jacobsen stressed. "Features will include an embedded technology that will allow for quick and effective identification checks at border crossings."

Naomi Elmer, a spokeswoman for DHS, confirmed to WND that DHS is working with Washington state on the RFID enhanced driver's license pilot test.

Yet, Elmer positioned the Washington initiative under the Real ID, not under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative.

"Currently we are working with Washington state because they came to us with a proposal to see if they could create an ID that would be acceptable for Real ID," she said.

"Right now, we are now fulfilling the congressional mandate proposing minimum standards for state-issued driver's licenses and ID cards that the federal agencies would accept for official purposes," Elmer said. "These requirements will go into effect after May 11, 2008."

Elmer acknowledged not all state drivers' licenses can be reissued by that date.

"DHS is permitting states to apply for and receive extensions up to Dec. 31, 2009," she said. "For the states that are receiving extensions, their drivers' licenses will need to meet our requirements by Jan. 1, 2010."

Elmer told WND that DHS is working with Washington state on its RFID-enhanced driver's license proposal.

"We are still working out the details with Washington state at this time," Elmer said

DHS has not yet approved Washington state's proposal, she noted.

Within DHS, there is controversy over whether RFID technology should be applied to ID cards.

On Dec. 6, 2006, the Data Privacy & Integrity Advisory Committee advised DHS against the use of RFID for human identity verification. Concerns over invasion of privacy and whether RFID information could be kept secure were primary considerations in the committee's recommendation that DHS proceed cautiously before implementing the program.

Elmer also told WND that Washington state's proposal had nothing to do with the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.

Under SPP, the "2005 Report to the Leaders" specified the SPP working groups have determined that "trusted travelers of North America" will be issued bio-metric border crossing passes, similar to the electronic measures being issued trucks and other commercial vehicles under the "trusted trader of North America" initiative.

The Real ID Act of 2005 was passed as Division B of the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005.

DHS has issued proposed minimum standards for driver's licenses and identification cards under the Real ID Act.

Still, a move to reject the Real ID Act is gaining momentum at the grassroots level, with nearly half the states voting not to participate.

Idaho, Maine and Arkansas have passed state resolutions rejecting participation.

Other states – including Arizona, Georgia, Montana, New Mexico, Utah, Vermont and Wyoming – are considering similar legislation.

Bills rejecting Real ID also have been introduced in Hawaii, Kentucky, Maryland, Massachusetts, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina and West Virginia.

On March 2, the White House announced the requirements of the Real ID Act would be put off until the end of 2009, acknowledging widespread opposition to the measure.

Related article:

"Spychips: How Major Corporations and Government Plan to Track Your Every Move with RFID"

DHS Wants To Install Checkpoint In Vermont

04-07-2008

WCAX

Homeland Security wants to build a permanent immigration checkpoint in central Vermont.

An exact location has not been revealed, but officials say it would be similar to this one that used to be on Interstate 91 in Hartford. Agents use the check points to search for illegal immigrants, drugs smugglers and terrorists.

Senator Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, is blasting the idea, saying the checkpoints are useless and an inconvenience to Vermonters.  

FBI Has Spy Program Tracking IM, Emails, and Cell Phones  

Published on Tuesday, April 08, 2008. 

 Raw Story 

Source: Raw Story - John Byrne

FBI also spies on home soil for military, documents show; Much information acquired without court order

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has been routinely monitoring the e-mails, instant messages and cell phone calls of suspects across the United States — and has done so, in many cases, without the approval of a court.

Documents released under the Freedom of Information Act and given to the Washington Post — which stuck the story on page three — show that the FBI’s massive dragnet, connected to the backends of telecommunications carriers, "allows authorized FBI agents and analysts, with point-and-click ease, to receive e-mails, instant messages, cellphone calls and other communications that tell them not only what a suspect is saying, but where he is and where he has been, depending on the wording of a court order or a government directive," the Post says.

But agents don’t need a court order to track to track the senders and recipients names, or how long calls or email exchanges lasted. These can be obtained simply by showing it’s "relevant" to a probe.

RAW STORY has placed a request to the Electronic Frontier Foundation for the new documents, and will post them upon receipt.

Some transactional data is obtained using National Security Letters. The Justice Department says use of these letters has risen from 8,500 in 2000 to 47,000 in 2005, according to the Post.

Last week, the American Civil Liberties Union released letters showing that the Pentagon is using the FBI to skirt legal restrictions on domestic surveillance.

Documents show the FBI has obtained the private records of Americans’ Internet service providers, financial institutions and telephone companies, for the military, according to more than 1,000 Pentagon documents reviewed by the ACLU — also using National Security Letters, without a court order.

The new revelations show definitively that telecommunications companies can transfer "with the click of a mouse, instantly transfer key data along a computer circuit to an FBI technology office in Quantico" upon request.

A telecom whistleblower, in an affidavit, has said he help maintain a high-speed DS-3 digital line referred to in house as the "Quantico circuit," which allowed an outside organization "unfettered" access to the the carrier’s wireless network.

The network he’s speaking of? Verizon. 

BUSH CRIME FAMILY SHOWS TRUE COLORS

( Bush Sending Congress Colombia Pact a free trade deal?)

By MARTIN CRUTSINGER

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush plans to announce that he is sending a controversial free trade agreement with Colombia to Congress, an administration official said Monday. The move will force a congressional vote within 90 days.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that Bush plans to make the announcement Monday in the White House Rose Garden.

Bush's action will force Congress to take up the proposal under a fast-track process that will require votes within 90 days. Officials said Bush is acting now in order to force a vote before Congress leaves in the fall for the campaign season.

The agreement would tear down trade barriers between the two nations but is heavily opposed by congressional Democrats, who contend that Colombia has not done enough to halt violence, protect labor activists and demobilize paramilitary organizations.

Bush, who has staked out free trade as one of his top legacies, is also hoping to win congressional approval before he leaves office on pending free trade agreements with Panama and South Korea.

Bush's action comes one day after Mark Penn quit as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's chief campaign strategist after it was reported that he had met with Colombia's ambassador to the United States to discuss promotion of the free trade agreement, which Clinton opposes.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

WASHINGTON (AP) — An administration official says President Bush will announce that he is sending a controversial free trade agreement with Colombia to Congress, a move that will force a congressional vote within 90 days.

The official said Bush will make the announcement in the White House Rose Garden. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the president had not yet spoken.

Bush's action will force Congress to take up the proposal under a fast-track process that will require votes within 90 days. Officials said Bush is acting now in order to force a vote before Congress leaves in the fall for the campaign season.

The footnote to this article by Chris Kemp

Now we see the bush's are at it again, now he wants the congress to approve a trade deal with the largest drug exporter in the world; Columbia, so we now see who is benefiting from the war on drugs, the war on terrorism and the war on poverty. now follow me if you will down the Proverbial rabbit hole lets take a brief but eye opening look at the war on terror, first look at Afganistan, before the so-called war on terror (which is actually the war on the people of the us, war on the constitution and bill of rights) the poppy fields in Afganistan we virtually non-existent, now the poppy fields are growing well, and guess who is guarding the fields, Blackwater Mercs. and guess who has to protect the mercs, our US military who are being used as cannon fodder for these groups of criminals who are behind the curtain calling the shots. And do you think congress Critters in DC. the district of criminals are going to fight this like as they claim, think again they will give in to mr bush's demands. What needs to happen and must happen is the american people need to get off of the butts and congress and again slam the phone lines on capital (criminal) hill and demand this free trade deal that bush is pushing be axed. This is an out right in your face attack on the American people and the World by the Criminal Elite. when are the people going to wake up and smell the coffee.

Hersh: children raped at Abu Ghraib, Pentagon has videos

Published on Wednesday, April 02, 2008.

Source: Boing Boing

From Daily Kos' partial transcript of a video (link to REAL stream) of Seymour Hersh speaking at an ACLU event. He says the US government has videotapes of children being raped at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

" Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."

Link (via Warren). There's also a piece worth reading in this week's Newsweek about new allegations of rape and sexual torture at Abu Ghraib. Feature includes details on the identities of the Iraqi prisoners shown in those widely-circulated photographs -- including Satar Jabar (charged with carjacking, not terrorism), whose iconic hooded figure with wires attached is derisively described by many Iraqis as the "Statue of Liberty." Link

Update: Geraldine Sealey at Salon on Hersh's remarks:

After Donald Rumsfeld testified on the Hill about Abu Ghraib in May, there was talk of more photos and video in the Pentagon's custody more horrific than anything made public so far. "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse," Rumsfeld said. Since then, the Washington Post has disclosed some new details and images of abuse at the prison. But if Seymour Hersh is right, it all gets much worse. (...)

Notes from a similar speech Hersh gave in Chicago in June were posted on Brad DeLong's blog. Rick Pearlstein, who watched the speech, wrote: "[Hersh] said that after he broke Abu Ghraib people are coming out of the woodwork to tell him this stuff. He said he had seen all the Abu Ghraib pictures. He said, 'You haven't begun to see evil...' then trailed off. He said, 'horrible things done to children of women prisoners, as the cameras run.' He looked frightened."

There are several questions here: Has Hersh actually seen the video he described to the ACLU, and why hasn't he written about it yet? Will he be forced to elaborate in more public venues now that these two speeches are getting so much attention, at least in the blogosphere? And who else has seen the video, if it exists -- will journalists see and report on it? did senators see these images when they had their closed-door sessions with the Abu Ghraib evidence? -- and what is being done about it?

Link to Salon item.

Update 2: BB guestbar alum Russ Kick of Memory Hole reminds us of a post he made in May about the type of as-yet-unreleased evidence Hersh is presumably discussing. Here, Russ quotes Republican Senator Lindsay Graham: "The American public needs to understand, we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience. We're talking about rape and murder and some very serious charges."

Update 3: BoingBoing reader Lars has an update from Germany -- some European media perspective on the allegations:

"Report Mainz" is a German TV show/magazine of the SWR (Sudwest-Rundfunk = South-West broadcasting). "Report Mainz" reported already on 5th July 2004 about the potential abuse of children in Abu Ghraib. (Link). A video (in German) of the feature is available at the page (Linkto streaming Real file). You can see interviews with persons who testify that they have seen children arrested in Abu Ghraib and who have seen and have heard of a boy and a 12 year old girl terrified (cold water and mud were spilled over them) by guards or military personal. The boy and the girl were then used to terrify their also arrested parents who were willing to cooperate after seeing their children terrified by the guards/military personnel.

Another TV show/magazine covered the issue too: "Kulturzeit", of the German-Austrian-Swiss broadcaster "3Sat" (Link). The main theme in these features is the concern about the fact that children are arrested and that they are used to apply pressure on their parents."

UPDATE: Evidence to support Hersh's claims in the Taguba Report? Link